The problem I have with NW being set on this other planet is that it has zero connection to Bionicle as we know it
The stated connection I read right in the intro to it, so I don't see how this could be true. We know Mata Nui visited other worlds, and learned things from them. What were some of those worlds, what could he have learned from them, and why? That has huge plot relevance.
Also, what other worlds might Makuta have conquered if Mata Nui had been unable to stop him?
This is the sort of hyperbole and "zeroizing" that makes these kinds of complaints dubious, IMO. Again, it sounds like what it really means is you simply don't like the style of the project, so you have not bothered to play Devil's Advocate and think of the connections it has? Especially since the one was stated right in the intro...
It would be like having a Star Wars story that had zero to do with Jedi, Sith, the Force, any galactic government or space travel.
If you applied the metaphor accurately, though, it would be a planet that had little knowledge of the galactic government, but that the galactic government had spied on and encountered, etc. Which is essentially the Star Trek Prime Directive. Some of the coolest episodes in the original series were when they were dealing with primitive cultures that their rules said "you can't tell them about space travel and all that".
It would be like having a Star Wars story that had zero to do with Jedi, Sith, the Force, any galactic government or space travel.
Ever read the Marvel Star Wars comic books? One of my favorite ones, The Hunter, had pretty much NOTHING to do with any of Star Wars stuff but they published it anyways. And don't bother to say that the Marvel Star Wars books were a complete waste of time - where do you think Lumiya came from?
How about the short story anthologies featuring the people who were briefly seen in Jabba's Palace and the Mos Eisly Cantina?
I saw this on the ONGS (Official Next Generation Site), and I just wanted to say how awesome this post is, and very accurate. I won't mention any names, but some people slam NG, and... Well, bonesiii's right.
bonesiiiThanks for that wise advice, Greg. Or, as I have said a few times recently; one of the themes of Bionicle is Unity. As Bionicle fans, we have... *sorry for the pun * a duty to live up to that good example, IMO, or we will have apparently gained no benefit from the Bionicle story. It's like we're kinda going through the Toa Mata 2001 situation, and have yet to find the Unity of 03 and onward, heh. I just pray that we will get there.
So we can achieve our Destiny of awakening Hapori Tohu!
...Sorry.
Well put, Greg.
Why do people hate fan input into the story? The Toa Mangai were the coolest idea I'd ever heard.
Which is essentially the Star Trek Prime Directive. Some of the coolest episodes in the original series were when they were dealing with primitive cultures that their rules said "you can't tell them about space travel and all that".
Bones hits it on the head -- until you see how New World shapes up to be, you don't know what connection it will have to this universe. What if Mata Nui learned something from observing it that may later influence in some way the society that does or does not get created on Spherus Magna? Or what if it in some way influenced his behavior during the 2009 story? Who knows what direction the creators may someday take it?
Just as an example -- let's say New World had very sophisticated astronomers and they saw the Shattering happen (obviously some time after it really did, due to the time it takes light to travel, etc.) They don't know what caused it -- maybe it was an attack from some alien race? Maybe that race is going to target them next? They go into a panic, build shelters, starting warring with each other over who gets to be in them, etc. By the time Mata Nui gets there, most of the population is hiding underground and the ones on the surface are sure they're doomed. Quite a lesson to be learned from observing this civilization, and it is directly tied in to events in the main story of BIONICLE. And that's just one direction ... not the best, no, but I whipped it up in a minute. Imagine what a whole team who spends weeks or months could come up with?
What NW is trying to do is to give writers and artists a new place to play, where they don't have to constantly worry about stepping on toes of the official story. They won't do all this work and then have something contradict them next year or something. Makes perfect sense to me.
And if it doesn't to you, well, don't read it. Simple as that. Some of you guys act like you are required by law to read anything that has BIONICLE in the name -- you're not. If the project doesn't appeal to you, and you don't want to give it a chance to catch your interest, then ignore it. What's so hard about that?
Also, what other worlds might Makuta have conquered if Mata Nui had been unable to stop him?
This is the sort of hyperbole and "zeroizing" that makes these kinds of complaints dubious, IMO. Again, it sounds like what it really means is you simply don't like the style of the project, so you have not bothered to play Devil's Advocate and think of the connections it has? Especially since the one was stated right in the intro...
If you applied the metaphor accurately, though, it would be a planet that had little knowledge of the galactic government, but that the galactic government had spied on and encountered, etc. Which is essentially the Star Trek Prime Directive. Some of the coolest episodes in the original series were when they were dealing with primitive cultures that their rules said "you can't tell them about space travel and all that".
Ever read the Marvel Star Wars comic books? One of my favorite ones, The Hunter, had pretty much NOTHING to do with any of Star Wars stuff but they published it anyways. And don't bother to say that the Marvel Star Wars books were a complete waste of time - where do you think Lumiya came from?
How about the short story anthologies featuring the people who were briefly seen in Jabba's Palace and the Mos Eisly Cantina?
-LK
So we can achieve our Destiny of awakening Hapori Tohu!
...Sorry.
Well put, Greg.
Why do people hate fan input into the story? The Toa Mangai were the coolest idea I'd ever heard.
I never got that...
-TLhikan
Just as an example -- let's say New World had very sophisticated astronomers and they saw the Shattering happen (obviously some time after it really did, due to the time it takes light to travel, etc.) They don't know what caused it -- maybe it was an attack from some alien race? Maybe that race is going to target them next? They go into a panic, build shelters, starting warring with each other over who gets to be in them, etc. By the time Mata Nui gets there, most of the population is hiding underground and the ones on the surface are sure they're doomed. Quite a lesson to be learned from observing this civilization, and it is directly tied in to events in the main story of BIONICLE. And that's just one direction ... not the best, no, but I whipped it up in a minute. Imagine what a whole team who spends weeks or months could come up with?
What NW is trying to do is to give writers and artists a new place to play, where they don't have to constantly worry about stepping on toes of the official story. They won't do all this work and then have something contradict them next year or something. Makes perfect sense to me.
And if it doesn't to you, well, don't read it. Simple as that. Some of you guys act like you are required by law to read anything that has BIONICLE in the name -- you're not. If the project doesn't appeal to you, and you don't want to give it a chance to catch your interest, then ignore it. What's so hard about that?